Dialogue Between Plato and Nietzsche Essay

Plato and Nietzsche are sitting in a park enjoying a light picnic lunch. All of a sudden a man appareled in black, wearing a balaclava runs past and steals Nietzsches Turkey sandwich. NietzscheThis is infatuated That immoral man has just stolen my last turkey sandwich This is a horrible commit to be in PlatoWhat do you mean Nietzsche? Are you saying that you are in a worse position than the thief that stole your sandwich? NietzscheYes that is exactly what I am saying. He isnt the ace who is button to starve to death now is he? PlatoOh Nietzsche dont be silly, youre looking at this in the wrong way of life.You discover, it is you who is in the better position since it is more shameful to inflict wrong than to digest wrong. Evil derives from wrongful actions, those which by nature involve shame and/or pain. And theft is a precise shameful act is it non? Nietzsche Yes, being a thief is a very shameful way to experience, as he is driven by his desires. He must gestate no se lf ascendency what so ever. With turn up self restriction how could anyone lead a good life? For it is only through our get out to power, strict obedience and restraint over a period of time can great thinking, finesse and virtue occur.PlatoI agree. The discipline to act justly, control and order ones body and mind, non need anything and to live virtuously is the only way for true self-fulfilment. Those who repetitively satisfy their desires do non posses real power over ones self because this gratification further stimulates, rather than eliminates, ones relish for desire. A person who is always fulfilling desire is in continuous need for further satisfaction, and thus acquires no true power over themselves as they are constantly controlled by their urges.NietzscheNot only does one need self discipline and obedience, like you said, but they also need to be freed from outer restrictions much(prenominal) as the herd mentality which constrains them from becoming a true leader. Who is to say that this thief does not have to qualities to rule? He has been trained that compliance and obedience toward his herd is best. This herd mentality forces its followers to strangle their natural aspiration to become leaders, it unselfs gifted individuals and natural leaders.Qualities such as benevolence, modesty and pity are taught by the herd to be virtuous, when really it is the imaginative, daring, creative and courageous who are the virtuous ones, whom should rise preceding(prenominal) the herd because they are the natural leaders. Those who have to will to power (drive to do so) are able to live their lives the fullest and therefore ultimately become the ubermensch. PlatoHere is where we differ Nietzsche, the way I see it is that community or herd is not such a bad thing, leaders on the other hand are. Weaker tidy sum should not be subject to stronger people.Just like large countries should not attack the small ones, on the grounds of that they are stronger and therefore superior. Governments and communities help to restrain those who cannot restrain themselves and therefore guiding them into leading a more virtuous life. Leaders, such a politicians, on the other hand only seek to recreate and gratify rather than improve the soul. When morality is applied in the masses it is right and natural Nietzsche only Plato, the theory of evolution has proved that God is dead and is no longer need to explain out existence meaning that conventional morality is irrelevant.Therefore we must create our own morality which is not transcendent or absolute. PlatoWrong again Nietzsche. Just because there is proof that God may not exist, it doesnt mean that man creates his own morality or anything else for that matter. You see, in this universe there are two different humanss, the material world and the metaphysical world. We experience the material world with our senses. We can see it, feel it, taste it and touch it. Whereas the metaphysical world (world f the systems) exists beyond the senses. The Metaphysical world contains stainless examples of qualities and concepts that exist in the material world.We can recognise these concepts (beauty, justice, good etc) and qualities (colour, shape) because we have experienced them in the Metaphysical world. Our soul/mind experiences the Metaphysical world before birth, but the trauma of birth makes us give this world and we must relearn it thorough philosophy. So, because there is a perfect examples of everything in the Metaphysical world that there is here in the Material world, there must be a perfect form of morality. This means that there is an absolute morality for mankind to live by.